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Anyone who talks about overpopulation being a threat to humanity or the environment or whatever is, whether they realize it or not, advocating for eugenics.

David attenborough, eugenicist 

@Bashabez overpopulation is a myth that distracts from the greed and mismanagement of the world that is actually causing so much suffering

@starwall @Bashabez "What if I could increase my own salary as CEO by doing another round of layoffs, but in real life?"

@patience @Are0h @Bashabez doesn't Vox kinda worship bill gates, who's views on eugenics are prooooobably more or less directly implemented by the gates foundation

@meena idk, but your takeaway from that piece is basically right here:

“prevent the creation of extremely wealthy people. In other words, prevent the accumulation of massive wealth”

@Bashabez
Unfortunately, the attitude that "the lives & happiness of Those People Over There are much less important than those of Us Over Here" is difficult to eradicate, & often even more difficult to get people to face up to.
YES humanity with its demands is straining the carrying capacity of the Earth at the present time. But we've done that before. We're good at coming up with technological solutions to it ― the Haber-Bosch process being one of the most notable.

@publius the thing is that its not even the demands, its the fundamental mismanagement of resources that is inherent to neoliberal capitalism

@Bashabez
Would that things were so simple! There are some very big challenges to face & delicate balances to be struck, which tends to escape the grasp of discourse.
The current political-economic arrangements, bitterly unsatisfactory as they are, can hardly account for more than 40―50% of the overall problem.

@Bashabez
This is not the ideal setting for serious discussion of complex questions, but if you insist…
The drive to extract all resources as rapidly as possible, even the horrible parisitism of the military ― getting rid of such things (although how to do so is itself an immense problem) would relieve the pressure somewhat. But look at the global nitrogen balance, or the world primary energy supply. People need energy, metals, land, water, regardless of the details of system.

@publius what is it with you weirdos and nitrogen farming? I've had a gaggle of jordan peterson stans go off on me about nitrogen farming and honestly, i just dont give a shit.

@Bashabez
Fortunately I have no idea what you're talking about there. But without some knowledge of the role of fixed nitrogen in plant growth, & why & how the artificial fixation of nitrogen has become a central feature the Earth's biosphere in a mere hundred years, it's really difficult to say anything meaningful about environmental, economic, or even social questions. Roughly, we are using fossil fuels (although that's not strictly necessary) to double the annual global biomass turnover.

@Bashabez I like how he kept going and it boiled down to "comfort and luxury are more important than the ability to live itself!"

@Bashabez I've now read all the replies to your original post here and I just got this to say:

It's amazing folk can get their head so far up their asses with that giant stick in the way.

@Bashabez
Consider mechanical laundry & dishwashing. They eliminate endless hours of drudgery, liberating people to pursue education, engage in political action, et cetera. But 3/4 of the world has no access to them.

It's easy to take ideological positions along the lines of "traditional societies are wonderful & industrial technology is awful". But if you do, you miss why people have overwhelmingly rejected the former & embraced the latter.

@Bashabez
The government of India is heavily promoting the use of fossil fuels (LPG specifically) in poor households. This sounds insane, & with everything else that government has done lately, insanity would be a plausible reason. But in fact the objective is to massively reduce deaths from lung diseases among women & children, which arise from cooking over fires using dung, charcoal, et cetera. It also frees up time spent cleaning living spaces, & especially in gathering fuels.

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> The Haber–Bosch process is one of the largest contributors to a buildup of reactive nitrogen in the biosphere, causing an anthropogenic disruption to the nitrogen cycle.
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> Since nitrogen use efficiency is typically less than 50%, farm runoff from heavy use of fixed industrial nitrogen disrupts biological habitats.

la la la la

@Bashabez absolutely. and they only ever care about poors or brown people "overpopulating", celebrities and aristocrats popping out spawn is ignored or even celebrated

fuck off with that

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@Bashabez I always think about how having a kid in the US consume 70 times the resources of having a kid in Africa or Southeast Asia. Focusing on population growth rather than resource consumption has always been a white supremacist sleight of hand.

@substack @Bashabez Many people specifically avoid using population-control language for rich countries even though we're causing the vast majority of the problem. It's interesting.

@substack @activationfxn @Bashabez People are using that to mean population now? I thought the original concept was like strip malls.

@erosdiscordia @activationfxn @Bashabez it's a way of flipping the concept of overpopulation back at the offending phenomenon, that the resource intensity of rich countries is far too high and is causing all the problems, not the number of people in absolute terms

@erosdiscordia @activationfxn @Bashabez en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overdeve this framework encompasses different approaches, such as de-growth, aloha 'aina, battles against extraction, pipelines, and militarism, regenerative ag

@activationfxn @Bashabez Malthusianism is just another example of politics being something one does to other people.

@Bashabez Recognising that it's a problem (it really is, that's an uncomfortable fact), and proposing a solution (possibly eugenics, depending on what you propose) are two very different things.

@Bashabez Ooh my first Mastodon block. Shame, but I suppose it had to come sometime.

@Bashabez OK have it your way. But even if you think it's not a problem, whether or not someone else's opinion on it is eugenics depends on any solution they are proposing.

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