I think there is a curse within leftist spaces where white people can't possibly see themselves as perpetuating racism, and so when they get called on something, especially when its by a person of color, the reaction is immediately aggressive defensiveness in place of what should be self-reflection.

"You're calling ME racist? I donate to so many charities! I've gone to rallies! I've been calling out people who use the N word for years! Theres not a racist bone in my body!"

"I'm a leftist, of course i'm not racist!"

This is whiteness and supremacy kicking back. This is you perpetuating it without realizing it. Because instead of taking the time to step back outside of your self, sitting down, shutting up, and listening to POC when they point out how you are perpetuating harm, you are actively trying to be the "winner" and prove how "good" and "moral" you are.

White supremacy isn't delegated to right wing ideologies. It's not something that the left is free from and above. It is ever present because we currently exist within a world that is dominated and shaped by white settler colonialism. It shapes our culture and individual worldview so absolutely that just because you read black revolutionaries and go to marches every once in a while, or share stories of police violence, that does not mean you have killed the racist in your head.

When you get called on your shit, and your immediate reaction is from a place of "standing up for yourself" or proving the accusatory problem wrong, instead of listening and genuinely aiming to be better and put in the mental and emotional work it takes to change your thinking and behavior, on a literal subconscious fucking level, then your leftism is one that is chained down by the very things you claim to be against.

Close-Mindedness is a curse everywhere, and here, too. I always wonder what people think they have to loose from listening.


Thank you for saying all of that. It needs to be repeated again and again and again. I was just having a not too dissimilar conversation with @emsenn.

@redandgreen And super-conveniently I was just about to look for this thread to make note of the second post about "This is whiteness..."
Thanks! lol @Bashabez

@Bashabez like all bigots, the longer you take your eye off your inner racist, the stronger he gets

@Bashabez reading this thread i'm just thinking about how progressive secularism has become (again, seemingly picking up from the old eugenics days) such a cesspit of racism after those racist habits went unexamined for a generation

@Bashabez Always the same mis-/non-understanding by white people: Racism is NOT a moral issue, but a systemic issue of power. It has to be comprehended als power system. Then you can really start to fight and dismantle it.

@Bashabez it's part of a larger thinking where because this person realized that capitalism is a horrible thing (which is true no matter which way you spin it) and now that they have discovered this life-changing discovery, everyone else who doubts them on anything else is wrong based on the sheer willpower of how leftism is seen as a cure-all for everything wrong in people and the world

A bit of caps 

@Bashabez The people who think they can't possibly be racist are engaging in a moralist holier-than-thou purity wank, not antiracism. If they can't recognize that white supremacy is a SYSTEM that sneaks into people's unquestioned assumptions and very dreams, that they can't be free of it any more than they can be of the air they breathe, then they have misunderstood the whole concept--probably wilfully, for the comfort of thinking of themselves as better and purer.

@Bashabez 👍

i sometimes answer something like "We want justice, no charity"
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